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O.J., Meet J. Edgar...

Nick Gillespie | September 17, 2007, 3:08pm

Please hold off on the tight end, wide receiver, etc. jokes; the sexual orientation of the late FBI director J. Edgar Hoover (below, center) is unclear. But do take a gander at this curio, which ranks up there with the shot of Elvis and Nixon comparing capes:

The image comes courtesy of The Smoking Gun, which notes that this is one of the items that O.J. Simpson was trying to recover when snagged by police for allegedly trying to rob a Las Vegas casino.

The man on the right? Not Clyde Tolson 2.0, but future NFL standout Larry Csonka.

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Comments to "O.J., Meet J. Edgar...":

J sub D | September 17, 2007, 3:26pm | #

Who cares?
Who cares?
Who cares?
Who cares?
Who cares?
Who cares?

Pro Libertate | September 17, 2007, 3:27pm | #

J sub D,

What? Csonka was awesome.

John | September 17, 2007, 3:34pm | #

OJ is not a small dude but standing next to Csonka he is. Wow, Csonka was a big guy.

Guy Montag | September 17, 2007, 3:35pm | #

Csonka. I can't pronounce it, but it must mean hurt!

Pro Libertate | September 17, 2007, 3:37pm | #

Oh, and Happy Constitution Day, everyone. How consistent with the current state of affairs in the U.S. that few celebrate this day. Not even Larry Csonka and Bob Griese.

carrick | September 17, 2007, 3:39pm | #

Csonka. I can't pronounce it, but it must mean hurt!

You must be a young dude.

1972 -- Perfect Season -- the only one

Guy Montag | September 17, 2007, 3:43pm | #

You must be a young dude.

You must have missed Andy Griffith's standup football bit from back in the day :)

carrick | September 17, 2007, 3:43pm | #

You must have missed Andy Griffith's standup football bit from back in the day :)

You got me.

Episiarch | September 17, 2007, 3:46pm | #

Andy Griffith's standup

Andy did standup? Seriously? Was it funny? Now I have this image of him swearing incessantly Eddie Murphy style while drinking a Tab and sweating profusely.

carrick | September 17, 2007, 3:48pm | #

Andy Griffith's standup

Much better than any of his "acting" jobs, which weren't exactly shabby.

J sub D | September 17, 2007, 3:50pm | #

The image comes courtesy of The Smoking Gun,

It's difficullt to lay my semi dydlexia out in public, but i originally read "The image comes courtesy of The Naked Gun,"

I need help.

carrick | September 17, 2007, 3:50pm | #

Can't find a better teller of Shakespeare tales.

Ryo | September 17, 2007, 3:53pm | #

In related news, did anyone notice that the OJ book "If I Did It" has been on sale for almost a week?

Amazon link

carrick | September 17, 2007, 3:56pm | #

In related news, did anyone notice that the OJ book "If I Did It" has been on sale for almost a week?

To be followed shortly by "oops I did it again"

Matt L | September 17, 2007, 3:59pm | #

Yup, the Goldman family has the rights to the book. Notice the subtitle, "Confessions of the Killer."

Episiarch | September 17, 2007, 4:06pm | #

Can we can the spammer? "kyle" has managed to post this exact same thing on many threads today. Nick?

J sub D | September 17, 2007, 4:17pm | #

Can we can the spammer? "kyle" has managed to post this exact same thing on many threads today. Nick?

Rude, uncultured behaviour, isn't it, Episiarch?

gaijin | September 17, 2007, 4:26pm | #

You must be a young dude.

1972 -- Perfect Season -- the only one

I read the combined Lary Czonka/Jim Kiick bio in 5th grade. The most memorable passage to my mind was Czonka relaying how they had nicknames in college...The MeHoff brothers...Jack, Whip and Beat. Wonder what J Edgar would have thunk bout that?!

tijjer | September 17, 2007, 4:27pm | #

It was pretty awesome that one time when that guy in the middle bit that midget's finger off and fell into the volcano.

jimmydageek | September 17, 2007, 4:27pm | #

Yup, the Goldman family has the rights to the book. Notice the subtitle, "Confessions of the Killer."
Seriously, regardless of whether or not OJ "did it", he was acquitted...

So, how can they get away with this and not get hit with a libel suit?

John | September 17, 2007, 4:31pm | #

Seriously, regardless of whether or not OJ "did it", he was acquitted...

So, how can they get away with this and not get hit with a libel suit?"

Just because you are aquitted doesn't mean you are not factually guilty. OJ was found not guilty by reasonable doubt. He was later found to have been guilty by a preponerance of the evidence in a civil trial. Truth is a defense to liable. The civil verdict decided the issue of OJ's guilt for civil purposes. He may not be "criminally" guilty because twelve morons in LA found reasonable doubt, but he is most certainly "factually" guilty for the purposes of a liable suit.

Isaac Bartram | September 17, 2007, 4:33pm | #

So, how can they get away with this and not get hit with a libel suit?
The fact that they won a wrongful death suit against him will go a long way for that.

Also the fact that he cannot prove that what they are saying is untrue.

And since almost everyone believes that he is guilty it would be pretty hard for him to prove that his reputation has been harmed.

Isaac Bartram | September 17, 2007, 4:34pm | #

John beat me to it. And since he actually is a lawyer his opinion might mean something. :)

Rimfax | September 17, 2007, 4:35pm | #

They rehash Griffith's old standup on XM 151. Some of it comes across as a slightly more intelligent Jerry Clower, stories about the folks back home, etc. It always borders on corny, but Griffith really does have a talented delivery that keeps it from ever seeming truly awful.

There's one that I've heard a couple of times where he gives his commentary on the lyrics of a presumably contemporary love song. The musicians pause after each verse while he gives his take. There's a bawdiness to his tone, but never to his words. It's an interesting duality to hear.

Personally, I think that the Andy Griffith Show was some of the finest TV writing from pre-1990 and that Griffith's performance made it iconic. I'll start before I start channeling James Lipton. ("Neighbor's haunting portrayal of the troubled 'Gomer' left us all feeling like we were there...pumping gas...in the magical land...of Mayberry.")

carrick | September 17, 2007, 4:37pm | #

So, how can they get away with this and not get hit with a libel suit?

The wrongful death civil trial, using a lower standard of proof than at criminal trial, determined that he killed them. That is the basis of the huge settlement against him.

carrick | September 17, 2007, 4:38pm | #

Man, I was soooo late. I should read everthing before posting.

John | September 17, 2007, 4:40pm | #

Rimfax,

I have heard those routines and they are brilliant. I would, however, take Mary Tyler Moore over Andy Griffith, but that is just me.

toxic | September 17, 2007, 4:42pm | #

Also, he wrote the book.

Or his ghostwriter did.

And, they got the rights somehow... that didn't just happen. OJ must have sold it to them or traded it for relief from the judgment or something. So a libel suit probably ain't happening.

Hence, why he has to stick people up. The income anticipated from the book didn't show up and he has had to come up with other... revenue streams.

Isaac Bartram | September 17, 2007, 4:44pm | #

Episiarch and J sub D

And his post is particularly stupid considering that there is a pretty respectable bipartisan body of opinion that thinks JFK was a pretty poor president. And Clinton's two terms as AG and two as governor of Arkansas cannot exactly be dismissed as "no experience". Especially since that was executive experience.

Now I suppose if Obama had the equivalent of the Kennedy family fortune available to retain hirelings to make him look good it might be a different story.

jimmydageek | September 17, 2007, 4:55pm | #

Correct me if I'm way off base here, but the civil trial convicted OJ of "wrongful death", meaning that he was responsible for their deaths in some way, but not that he murdered them? If that's the case, again, how can they claim he's the "killer"?

I'm not very familiar with the actual case...so please enlighten me a little.

Billy Awesome | September 17, 2007, 5:01pm | #

Has anyone ever noted how much old J. Edgar Hoover looks like old Larry Flint?

Mickey Klein | September 17, 2007, 5:04pm | #

The criminal jury was to retarded to convict him on overwhelming evidence, the civil jury showed a glimmer of intelligence and did all they could in finding him liable for wrongful death.

In the criminal sense, no, he is a not the killer or even a criminal. In the eyes of anyone with a half a #$^#^ brain he killed two people in cold blood and got away with it.

This arrest may provide sweet karmic justice.

Isaac Bartram | September 17, 2007, 5:31pm | #

jimmydageek

The standards for libel in this country are pretty high. In order to win a libel suit, OJ would have to prove that the Goldman's were in fact stating a falsehood in claiming he was guilty.

It is not likely that he can do that, especilly since the Goldmans won a wrongful death suit against him. Sice the burden is on him it is unlikely you will even see such a suit.

And since almost everyone believes that he is guilty it would be pretty hard for him to prove that his reputation has been harmed.

And the rights to the book were awarded to the Goldmans as part of the wrongfull death judgment. They are free to do with it what they want.

Pro Libertate | September 17, 2007, 6:18pm | #

Don't forget Mercury Morris!

TheDumbFish | September 17, 2007, 6:55pm | #

I approve of Csonka and any Csonka-oriented posts.

Only Earl Campbell posts should take precedence

edna | September 17, 2007, 8:23pm | #

what it was, was football.

http://www.carolinafan.com/ar/02/020926_what_it_was.html

edna | September 17, 2007, 8:24pm | #

csonka. jeez. he couldn't shine lenny moore's shoes.