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Over at the American Spectator, Brian Doherty cracks the philosophical code of Lost.
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Daniel | February 5, 2008, 12:39pm | #
Lost....Used to be the shows title but now describes the plot...
Sorry, Lost, but you lost me after the second season.
Rhywun | February 5, 2008, 12:50pm | #
Your "loss"... Season 4's "flashforwards" just made the thing a whole lot more interesting.Calidore | February 5, 2008, 12:53pm | #
He claims to be an empiricist—a real "meat and potatoes" guy—but comes to a seemingly mystical belief in the island's power. Complicating his role as the "man of faith" in the island is that his mysticism is based in his experience of healing from the island, and his personal encounter with the smoke monster—so character and philosopher might be able to get along as fellow empiricists.FWIW (which may be very little), William of Ockham claimed contra Aquinas that faith and reason are not compatible; that they are seperate fields. That didn't make Ockham any less of a Christian or inhibit his belief in the mystical nor did it deter him from exploring the natural world with the eye of an empiricist.
Vermont Gun Owner | February 5, 2008, 1:05pm | #
ABC's TV series Lost, whose fourth season premieres tonightAlthough, at the time this was reposted on H+R 'tonight' actually means 'last Thursday'.
The Wine Commonsewer | February 5, 2008, 1:09pm | #
Well done, Brian.Lost is a ritual at our house. My kids love it and are just at the right age to enjoy the goosebumps and the plot twists.
I can understand the frustration some might have with the plot, but we're hooked. One of *MY* Xmas gifts was Season Three on DVD. We charged through that before the New Year.
It isn't The Twilight Zone, but Lost is petty good stuff. There is a market for good television. The market for trash is far larger, but good stuff does make it to the networks from time to time.
Lost only doesn't make sense when you think that the writers have a plan for the show. What we are witnessing, in fact, is what happens when a show suddenly becomes popular and the creators realize that they have to come up with the rest of the show and they don't know how to resolve storyline conflicts. I used to think the show was clever, now it just strikes me as the kid in school who tries really hard to be "different" because deep down he's not very interesting.
The Wine Commonsewer | February 5, 2008, 1:48pm | #
Used to be the shows title but now describes the plot...We saw all three seasons on DVD and I think that helps. You aren't prisoner to a oddball ending you didn't expect when you can immediately shift to the next episode.
It flows better on DVD. Even better than Tivo, which we're doing for this season.
I had never seen lost before, but my friends were watching last season's finale (the last five minutes) and so I sat down to see what it was about. I kept saying, to their grand annoyance, "what do you mean 'Lost'? They're in the middle of a freaking city!" Apparently I missed some of the plot development.
The Wine Commonsewer | February 5, 2008, 1:50pm | #
...and they don't know how to resolve storyline conflictsI hope you're wrong but in the end I'm afraid I'm going to be unhappy.
The Wine Commonsewer | February 5, 2008, 1:51pm | #
Lamar:Get it from Netflix, you really have to go through the episodes from the git-go.
de stijl | February 5, 2008, 1:52pm | #
What we are witnessing, in fact, is what happens when a show suddenly becomes popular and the creators realize that they have to come up with the rest of the show and they don't know how to resolve storyline conflicts.Cf. the second season of Twin Peaks.
TWC,
I stopped watching early second season, but have been meaning to go back through the whole schmear via DVD. Thanks for reminding me.
Did Lost ever bother to explain how the fat guy stayed so fat? You would think being stuck on a tropical island after a plane crash with no access to snacks and refined food would be a great weight loss program, but that dude never seems to lose a pound.
Qbryzan | February 5, 2008, 2:18pm | #
Did Lost ever bother to explain how the fat guy stayed so fat?Yes, they found a hatch that contained, among other things, snacks and refined food.
SugarFree | February 5, 2008, 2:22pm | #
John,There was even a scene where they showed Hugo eating an entire gallon jug of ranch dressing.
[hork]
Stretch | February 5, 2008, 2:24pm | #
Lost only doesn't make sense when you think that the writers have a plan for the show. What we are witnessing, in fact, is what happens when a show suddenly becomes popular and the creators realize that they have to come up with the rest of the show and they don't know how to resolve storyline conflicts. I used to think the show was clever, now it just strikes me as the kid in school who tries really hard to be "different" because deep down he's not very interesting.That was certainly evident in the first six episodes of season three, when it was clear that the writers had no idea how to extend their mega hit past the early stages. That said, however, they took a lot of flak for it and have since made amends.
There will only be three more seasons (including this one) and they will each only be 16 eps long. In other words, there is actually a full and definite story arc with a clear ending point now so we won't have to worry about meaningless extension ala the Sopranos.
javier | February 5, 2008, 2:43pm | #
lost is easily my favorite show of all time.Lamar you can also see all of the past season on the internetwork on abc.com.
The Wine Commonsewer | February 5, 2008, 2:43pm | #
Did Lost ever bother to explain how the fat guy stayed so fat? You would think being stuck on a tropical island after a plane crash with no access to snacks....He had Dharma Initiative snacks that he was hording. Now that they got past that your point remains valid. We just suspend our disbelief and figure he's got a bad metabolism. Besides, they haven't been on the island all that long, certainly not long enough for Hurley to lose 150 pounds.
You also notice that all the girls are still looking like babes, like they just stepped out to go shopping.......
ChrisH | February 5, 2008, 2:48pm | #
It was my luck to start watching the show in the middle of the first season, when they kept running re-runs of previous shows, so I was seeing it COMPLETELY out of sequence.I just accepted that this was some kind of Slaughterhouse 5 time swirling thing. As the season went on, it kept making MORE sense to me.
I keep getting to the point of being fed up, and then something pulls me back in -- like, VW van as a weapon. Priceless.
I'm ashamed to admit I didn't catch the philosopher references. What about Hurley and Sayeed -- any obscure Spanish or Arab philosphers they're named after?
Citizen Nothing | February 5, 2008, 3:20pm | #
I loaned my three seasons of Lost DVDs to my brother, who became hooked. He then gave season one to his in-laws, who apparently are DVD-challenged.They watched just the first episode from each of the six discs, thinking they'd seen the whole thing. They apparently came to believe the entire series centered on Charlie, who happens to be featured in those eppys, or so says my brother. Still, they enjoyed it.
The Wine Commonsewer | February 5, 2008, 3:40pm | #
Oh yeah, and Hugo, there's another trippy name for a character who just happens to be Huge-oh. And the Hurley thing. Something there as well.The Wine Commonsewer | February 5, 2008, 3:40pm | #
Or maybe there is some obscure connection to Victor Hugo. I'm not up on the classics so someone else maybe can fill in the blanks....de stijl | February 5, 2008, 3:49pm | #
They watched just the first episode from each of the six discs, thinking they'd seen the whole thing.That made my day. Thanks! I'm not making fun of your extended family, but that is hilarious.
Citizen Nothing | February 5, 2008, 4:00pm | #
That's ok, de stijl. My family can take it. (In fact they're used to it.)Robert | February 5, 2008, 4:19pm | #
I was a friend of Damon Lindelof's father, and so I started seeing Damon when he was in plays at Teaneck HS. I think I understand his sense of humor, and you can go to http://users.bestweb.net/~robgood/teach and read the Get Lost files in chronologic order, where, treating it as a game like those we used to play, I'm sure I have it pretty well nailed down. To put it simply, it's hoaxes, flim-flams, and magic tricks, and nearly the entire cast of characters is composed of con artists. Ignore the ostensible Losties-Others division, which is merely for show. Everything is fake, including the plane wreck, Jack's surgeries, Locke's paralysis, and Claire's pregnancy & childbirth.Those philosopher names are obviously pseudonyms. However, Desmond David Hume's was clearly a shout-out with the snowman riddle and the Swan equipment to illustrate a situation that Humean philosophers pose, wherein someone had someone else in a box and could control all hir experience, resulting in the subject's being totally fooled about cause & effect.
The show is a ton of fun and makes you think about epistemology, ethics, stuff like that. And the allusions to Shea & Wilson go a lot farther than the 23s. The Island is almost certainly Fernando Poo.
Somnolence | February 6, 2008, 2:03am | #
I suppose none of you Lost fans felt burned, like I did, over some of the 90’s Chris Carter shows. After about three years of Millennium, I vowed to never again watch a mystery series with non-existent plot development. It took me about 300 milliseconds to realize that Lost fell into the same category, just enough time to hit the button on my remote and change the channel."Lost" is my favorite series. But I fail to see any similaries between the character Mikail Bakunin and the the great anarchist philosopher of the same name.
Note that the last episode added a C. Staples Lewis. Well, CSL was not a philosopher, so does this signal a new direction?
