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Steve Chapman will miss those negative Iowa ads. He only wishes you could see them, too.
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Rev Toast | January 3, 2008, 8:18am | #
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I really can't think of a negative Iowa ad. How negative could "Iowa, just like southern Canada" be? Or "Iowa, Illinois' western trailer park"?iowan | January 4, 2008, 12:13pm | #
Iowa. Corn. No Porn.Not exactly true. There is a corn field on the other side of my property line, and Dish Network make porn available with a single push of a button.
Bingo | January 4, 2008, 12:29pm | #
What Would Jesus Do?I am also a supportter of truthful, relevant attack ads. If the truth hurts, don't blame the messenger. I would like to see politicians punished in the voting booth for running false, deceptive attack ads, but that is asking for too much of the electorate.
economist | January 4, 2008, 12:41pm | #
Negative ads are what make the wholly (excepting DR. Paul)uninspiring candidates tolerably interesting. I don't want to listen to how Hillary Clinton plans to give many away and about her "more than the country can afford" ideas. I want to hear about how she and Bill used to eat children in the light cast by Jack-o-lanterns in the Arkansas governors mansion on Halloween. Much more entertaining.economist | January 4, 2008, 12:42pm | #
Slight clarification necessary. In line2 "many" should be "money". Sorry for the typo.stuartl | January 4, 2008, 12:56pm | #
While truthful attack ads are a good thing, sadly the lying ones can be very effective. Even once people learn that something they've heard is false, they tend to return to believing it. In fact, saying a negative, such as "My opponent does not eat babies," will get a certain number of people to believe that they do eat babies.Obama has been pretty good at dodging the Clinton muck by reminding people that the Clinton's have a history of not telling the truth, instead of denying the stories.
Cesar | January 4, 2008, 1:03pm | #
Its weird that negative advertising only works in politics.I can't see a negative McDonalds ad trashing Burger king, or Toyota trashing Honda being very effective in selling their products.
stuartl | January 4, 2008, 1:16pm | #
Cesar, negative ads are more effective at stopping something. The goal is to stop a voter from voting for a candidate. Keep Obama's base away from the polls.If you are trying to sell something, you need to go with a positive spin, "Honda's quality is better" not "Toyota's quality is low." You do not want stop someone from buying any car at all.
Patrick May | January 4, 2008, 1:34pm | #
Everyone likes attack adds that point out the truth about candidates even when the truth is marginal. The idea that "amerika doesn't like attack adds" is silly. Campaigns are dull as dirt without them.cesar, votes are different than cars. with votes, it's vote share not total votes.
R C Dean | January 4, 2008, 2:11pm | #
Slight clarification necessary. In line2 "many" should be "money". Sorry for the typo.As with so many typos, I kind of liked the unintentionally revealing original.
Guy Montag | January 4, 2008, 2:33pm | #
Who made that attack ad against Dr. Paul again? The one with orderly Ellis Island immigration vs. the disorderly river-crossing illegal immigration.Shane | January 4, 2008, 3:14pm | #
I can't see a negative McDonalds ad trashing Burger king, or Toyota trashing Honda being very effective in selling their products.What about the MAC vs PC commercials? Hendrix choosing Pepsi over Coke? Burger King placing competitors sandwiches in the meal bags instead of Whoppers and taping their customers reactions("i hate mcdonalds, i want my whopper")? After watching that BurgerKing spot i actually started thinking " you know what, i hate big macs too, whoppers are flame-broiled..." Competetion isn't supposed to be rosy, it's supposed to empasis the difference and you can't do that without going "negative" at least a bit. In explaining why and how your product/candidate is better than the other products/candidates sometimes you have to actually show what the other product/candidates lack(McDonalds doesnt have flame-broiled goodness/Huckabee doesn't have a history of consistent fiscal conservatism). It's a good thing.As long as your honest in the contrast.
Shane | January 4, 2008, 3:16pm | #
For the record i like the Big Mac sauce, but Whopper just has a better patty, and tomato slices.J sub D | January 4, 2008, 3:22pm | #
For the record i like the Big Mac sauce, but Whopper just has a better patty, and tomato slices.For the record, the best burgers are found at local bars. Anywhere I've been in America.
Shane | January 4, 2008, 3:31pm | #
For the record, the best burgers are found at local bars. Anywhere I've been in America.Good to know, next time i'm on a 30 min lunch break or am picking up dinner for 4 on my way home, i'll call the hundreds of local bars in my city and see what their menus offer.
Besides, if we're talking about BEST burgers(i was just comparing 2 well known coporate burgers) then look no further than my backyard grill. the Super Shane Deluxe Mac Jack-in-Whopper. it has bbq sauce and jalepeno peppers.
economist | January 4, 2008, 4:02pm | #
Also, they got those Subway commercials where they talk about how bad McD and BK food is for you. Like anyone cares.Rattlesnake Jake | January 4, 2008, 4:35pm | #
"For the record, the best burgers are found at local bars. Anywhere I've been in America."In New Orleans' Warehouse District, there's a bar call Lucy which has a good hamburger called "the juicy Lucy".
Barack | January 4, 2008, 4:51pm | #
In New Orleans' Warehouse District, there's a bar call Lucy which has a good hamburger called "the juicy Lucy".This could be homerism, but I was taught that the Juicy Lucy originated at Matt's Bar in South Minneapolis in 1954.
Rhywun | January 4, 2008, 5:12pm | #
Wendy's is the best of the big three. But otherwise yeah, like so many things, you get what you pay for, and bar burger (or a gourmet chain burger) costs a lot more than a Big Mac, Whopper, or Wendy's burger.LarryA | January 4, 2008, 5:22pm | #
And by raising it, Huckabee made himself sound like he should be running for pastor, not president.He is.
ce | January 4, 2008, 5:41pm | #
I've always liked negative ads - mainly because, in my state, they're the only source of real information. As stated in the article, the positive ads are often vague posturing about fighting for working families and other blah.Also, negative ads have made me vote for someone before. I remember one ad where a legislator was attacked for voting down some ridiculous spending bill that would have "helped our children," so it actually brought the attack victim some support from me.
Otter | January 5, 2008, 10:05am | #
I've learned lots of important stuff from attack ads.D | January 5, 2008, 9:17pm | #
Funny, but Mexico just passed a major electoral reform package that outlaws negative campaigning. A negative campaign comparing upstart lefty Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador with Venezuelan firebrand Hugo Chavez kneecapped an irresponsible populist campaign - sparing the country a rerun of the calamitous 1970s economic disasters.Viva progaganda negra!
The Statist | January 6, 2008, 4:27am | #
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for World tyranny, a vote against job stealing foreigners, and a promise to statist dictators arround the world that we won't come after you for starting another holocost, because we are no longer the world's police.All racist Statists must vote for RON PAUL
Chad | January 7, 2008, 12:00am | #
I think Chapman is wrong. Political ads are almost always literally true. They are also simultaneously almost always deceptive. Most ads are attempting to tell a half-truth, but due to limited time in a 30 second spot, only get about a quarter-truth out. What the listener actually hears is probably true in a strict literal sense but contains no information of value.For example, imagine a politician voted for a bill that replaced a sales tax with an income tax in a revenue-neutral manner. You can be 100% certain in the next election cycle that his opponent will claim that he voted to increase income taxes without mentioning the equal and opposite tax cut it was tethered to. While the statement is literally true, it is both incomplete and implies something that is not true.
Ads are so full of this baloney it makes me sick. They are totally worthless and I wish there was a way to get rid of them.
economist | January 7, 2008, 10:03am | #
StatistI really can't tell what you are. Are you a neocon, a leftist, or just a bitter old looney?
Chad,
Negative campaign ads, despite often containing only half-truths, nonetheless have more relevant information in them than the so-called "positive" ads. Also, in the example you cited, the fact that the candidate passed an income tax might be more important than their repeal of a sales tax. You see, some of us actually think that it's more rational to tax consumption rather than production. As long as they don't tax certain items, such as food, shelter, and healthcare I wouldn't complain about replacing our income tax with a sales tax. That said, I do NOT support Huckabee, as any sales tax would probably be in addition to our current income tax.
